[r6rs-discuss] Thoughts on Scheme's Future
Grant Rettke
grettke at acm.org
Fri Sep 4 16:33:21 EDT 2009
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Joe Marshall<jmarshall at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Anton van
> Straaten<anton at appsolutions.com> wrote:
>> Joe Marshall wrote:
>>> Similarly with threads. These are a disaster. It is very hard to program with
>>> concurrency. It is harder still if your concurrancy mechanism is something
>>> as primitive as a thread. In nearly every implementation of Common Lisp
>>> I've worked on, they've made major errors in concurrency control. And these
>>> are the *vendors*. The users have no hope of getting it right.
>>>
>>> I don't know what the correct solution to concurrency is, but I'm sure we
>>> can do better than a thread library.
>>
>> I don't know what the correct solution to control flow is, but I'm sure
>> we can do better than first-class continuations.
>
> Agreed. Although this could be interpreted in two different ways, both of which
> I agree with.
>
> 1. Easier to understand user constructs such as structured
> exceptions, non-local
> exits, co-operative co-routines, etc. should be what users turn to
> rather than ad-hoc grabbing of continuations.
>
> 2. First-class continuations should NOT be used as a model or
> implementation of threads. (You can crudely mimic time-division
> multiplexing, but not true asynchronous parallel computation.)
Is this part of the language specification or the "standard library"?
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